Very good card but quite expensive. I just discovered OPTOplay in http://www.audiotrak.net/eng/index.html
The web page says: "suggested US retail price (net): $69.00 US" which is equivalent to 71.5 euros...
All I can say is "whoa!!!" (now rushing to search online shops!!!)
If any MAD-user knows an even cheaper 24 bit solution, please inform us - it seems that these new USB devices are the future of digital audio "cards". I expect that costs for these gadgets will reduce dramatically since there is no PCI bridge chip involved, no big PCB etc - just the DSP chip, audio stream to serial data converters and plastic parts.
UB
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Unorthodox Behaviour wrote:
Very good card but quite expensive. I just discovered OPTOplay in http://www.audiotrak.net/eng/index.html
Some of these USB audio dongles seem to have rather substandard codecs. Particularly the Philips uda1331 chipset has rather high distortion at low scale range.
The Burr Brown/TI PCM2702 looks quite a bit cleaner but it only renders 16 bits and is just a DAC. Still, a really nice package solution.
If any MAD-user knows an even cheaper 24 bit solution, please inform us - it seems that these new USB devices are the future of digital audio "cards". I expect that costs for these gadgets will reduce dramatically since there is no PCI bridge chip involved, no big PCB etc - just the DSP chip, audio stream to serial data converters and plastic parts.
Maybe at some point, but I haven't found integrated devices which generate/accept SPDIF data. Thus I suspect devices like the OPTOplay are a vendor engineered solution and not a carbon copy implementation of a chip vendor app note.
With the proliferation of low cost USB devices, it will be interesting to see whether isochronous USB will become more of an audio interconnect 'standard' compared to more specialized interfaces such as SPDIF, etc.. The PCM2702 is under $5/unit in production quantity. I can believe a $10/unit BOM cost is possible. I have not seen SPDIF solutions even get close to this.
-john
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Unorthodox Behaviour wrote:
Very good card but quite expensive. I just
discovered OPTOplay in http://www.audiotrak.net/eng/index.html
This optoplay is based on the chip AKM AK4353, see http://www.asahi-kasei.co.jp/akm/usa/product/ak4353/ak4353.html
Asahi-Kasei seems to produce a wide range of chips that might be interesting. Of course I don't expect them to have the quality of e.g. a Crystal DSP, but they may still be interesting.
They produce evaluation boards for all their chips and I mailed them asking details on the availability and pricing of them. If they send me one for free (many chip manufacturers do) then I'll have a first hand experience...
It's too bad audio soundcard tech reports and tests are limited to electrical performance. It would be nice to know which 24/96 cards have a *musical* sound (which means closer to analog !) and which not.
UB
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Unorthodox Behaviour wrote:
This optoplay is based on the chip AKM AK4353, see http://www.asahi-kasei.co.jp/akm/usa/product/ak4353/ak4353.html
This is simply a DAC, and a low end one at that.
Asahi-Kasei seems to produce a wide range of chips that might be interesting. Of course I don't expect them to have the quality of e.g. a Crystal DSP, but they may still be interesting.
TI/Burr Brown, Analog Devices, and others produce similar DACs. The issue is you need to feed these DACs bit-serial 16/24/32-bit data synchronized to a frame clock running at the associated sampling frequency.
They produce evaluation boards for all their chips and I mailed them asking details on the availability and pricing of them. If they send me one for free (many chip manufacturers do) then I'll have a first hand experience...
I'm afraid the eval board wont give you more than a convenient way to get serial data into the DAC. You still need to have a way to create the audio serial data and I2C control from a USB isochronous stream. These are completely different universes and conversion is non-trivial.
You might investigate Philips and TI for more integrated USB to audio conversion solutions.